Caspar speaks to 33 year old lawyer and social pioneer Dion McCurdy about NewVote, an online direct democracy platform. The two discuss Dion's faith in ordinary people's ability to solve difficult political problems, the case for direct democracy in Australia, and how these systems work in other countries like Switzerland, Spain and even the United States. Dion also explains the value of citizen juries, and shares his passion for reforming politics to make the world a better place. You can support NewVote at their Patreon page here, follow them on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. This episode was edited by Nina Roxburgh and features music by Big Gigantic.